I've been trying to figure this out for a while and can't seem to get it. So, I thought it might be a good idea to ask here. I am having an issue with overlapping objects after applying appearance (stroke/fill).

Overlapping Issue

I am designing a map in Illustrator and have created some Graphic Styles that will be replicated throughout the map. The way I have been working has been to group all paths that will retain a specific graphic style. Then, I apply the style to the entire group.

This has been working great for the most part unless the objects inside the group overlap each other. Here's my workflow:


My expectation was that the object on top would "knock out" the object below if they overlapped. With the style applied to the entire group, this is not the case. Instead, the object below shows through the object above as picture.

I have tried opening the Opacity sub-panel under the Appearance panel and checked the box Knockout Group which says "Prevents the elements of a group showing through each other". But this doesn't seem to do anything and the elements are still showing through.

I know I can apply my style per path/object, but this will be much more time consuming and defeats the purpose of styling everything inside the group as the same. Is there any way to achieve what I am trying to do with groups?

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There's an unwritten aspect about Graphic Styles....

There are 2 kinds of them:

  • Object Level Styles - Where appearance adjustments are made on objects.
  • Group Level Styles - Where appearance adjustments are added to a group.
    (Groups, by default, have no direct appearance adjustments)

There's no way to tell the difference, until the style is applied -- and then viewing the results.

Applying an object-level style to a group will always result in unexpected appearances. You've encountered one such issue.

When a group is selected and an object style is clicked, AI applies the appearance stack at the Group level not the object-level. Note that you have the stroke on top of the fill... that's what is applied... the stroke on top of the fills. It's not that the bottom object is "showing through", it's that the stroke is on top... and if there are multiple paths in the group each path gets the stroke appearance (on top).

Knockout won't work because the appearance is at the group level and a group won't knockout out of itself. Groups are seen as one object... there's nothing to knockout.

In short, object level graphic styles rarely work well on groups. You might simply be able to update the style with the stroke below the fill and that may work in some instances.

To get around this in general, don't group the objects. Select them, apply the style, then group the objects. Or if you prefer to Group as you work... when you're ready to apply styles... Ungroup, apply style (it is possible to apply an object-level style to multiple selected objects - no need to select anything individually), then Group again.

Addendum: Applying a Group-level style to an object often results in no appearance change or an unexpected appearance. Most often no appearance because there's no "group" present.

  • Thanks for this thorough explanation Scott. It makes more sense the way you explain it why it's not working how I had expected. I will try your suggestion of moving the stroke and see if that works. The reason for the grouping and how I had hoped it would work, is the amount of elements in this document. I really need to group to keep it organized.
    – CU3ED
    Sep 20, 2020 at 1:09
  • @CU3ED although you can apply a shspebuilder action the layer which is useful though not in this case
    – joojaa
    Sep 20, 2020 at 9:42

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