# how to find eye level in complex pictures?

I know we can continue the lines and when all converge together that place is a vanishing point and along that horizontal line is eye level. But what about complex pictures and paintings in which even you can't see the line between sky and ground or when there are no guidelines like a house or a piece of wood or anything to help you continue that line and then find the converge point?

I don't know if I send what I mean or no - mean in some pictures it's so difficult, please tell me the way for those.

• I can't find a good image about what I mean but for example mostly I can't find eye level and vp in vintage paintings mostly when there is no guidelines like a house like a piece of wood or anything or you cant see the line between sky and ground.

I am so mad and sad and hopeless now :( I just start drawing I know if I find this eye-level easy then I can draw the picture more easily, but I can't find it! I've searched a lot but all I found was about simple pictures with many lines in it that can help you to find it easy - but I am looking for difficult pictures and how to find the eye lever of them.

• Be aware that when looking at works by The Masters... one of the reasons they are referred to as "masters" is that they inherently percieved things like perspective. Many didn't actually plot and adhere to any style of grid. They merely painted. It was far more about the ability to perceive these things and convey them as opposed to using any mathematically defined grids. In fact, one can often try to apply a perspective grid to a work from a Master and see that any grid isn't really reflected. It was later that humans created defined grids and more mathematical plots, i.e. Escher. Nov 28, 2020 at 20:47

Some of the images do actually have a horizon you can use to estimate the eye level:

Note that the perspective in paintings aren't always completely geometrically well defined. There can be some "eye-balling" involved.

If there is no visible horizon you can have a look at where in the image you can see the top and bottom of objects.

As example, here is the last image with the bottoms colored in yellow and the tops in blue. The eye level must be somewhere between the lowest bottom and the highest top you can see.

(The two last examples by Bruegel looks a bit like parallel projection, so perhaps they can't be said to have an eye level.)

• how you found those eye levels? and can you tell me the way i can use for complex pictures as i said in my first question that there is no guidelines and no visible sky and ground touch. and my last question is can you find any vanishing point on top images ? for example i want to add a box to each of those images how to find vanishing point for complex pictures ? . thank you
– Dude
Nov 28, 2020 at 17:31
• @Dude in the first picture if you look carefully the horizon is visible. Anyway you look at the objects objects "bow" upward above the horizon and below they "bow" downwards. Nov 28, 2020 at 18:04
• As @joojaa said, the horizon is visible. I deliberately made a thick red line because I can't tell for sure exactly where the artist wanted the eye level to be. It's a qualified guess. But for example in the second image, you can see some sky and some green field. It's a bit foggy (and pixelated) but the horizon must be somewhere in between. Nov 28, 2020 at 18:11
• I don't think I can give you one method that will work for all complex images. Some images just contain too little information. About vanishing points. An image can have several vanishing points or none. Only objects with parallel lines share the same vanishing point. Have a look at some of the questions about vanishing points. For example this. Nov 28, 2020 at 18:17
• It might be worth noting that there does not exist a wanishing point in a image there exists many many wanishing points Nov 28, 2020 at 18:19