# Centring letters in circles [duplicate]

Are there any rules for centring lower case letters like a 'd' in a circle? To me it doesn't look right unless it's moved more to the left but then it's not in the middle.

Centered inside a circle becomes objective (=not an opinion)as soon as there's a common agreement how to measure it. Unfortunately no common agreement exists. Artists place items as they like.

Drawing and layout programs have buttons for alignment principle "let the bounding boxes of the objects have the same centerpoint". That idea doesn't satisfy you, I guess.

Some time ago a GDSE user had a little resembling problem with a logo. He accepted one easy centering principle that you can try, too. It's here: How could I make a logo that looks off centered due to the letters, look centered?

Totally another idea is to move the letter so that it's center of mass is at the circle center. The center of mass is the average coordinates of the colored pixels of the letter.

The center of mass can be determined in several ways. The easiest way is to use a CAD program or Inkscape which have a ready to use function for it. The next example is in Inkscape.

The starting point is an Arial d which is 25 mm high and 15,5 mm wide. It's converted to path (=Path > Object to Path) and ungrouped:

The centerpoint cross is in the middle of the bounding box like normally in drawing programs.

Extension Visualize Path > Measure Path > Center of Mass inserts a new cross into the center of mass. It's a new object:

In the next image the d is centered with the circle in 2 different ways:

In the left the bounding boxes have the same centerpoint. The d and the circle are simply aligned horizontally and vertically.

In the right the d has the center of mass inserted and the circle center is at the same place. The midpoint of the circle snaps to the center of the inserted cross if you move the circle and have snap to midpoint =ON.

The centering idea "same centers of mass" can look wrong because it clashes with "as big gap between the parts in all directions". See the next example:

In the left the centers of the bounding boxes are same (=normal vertical and horizontal alignment)

In the middle centers of mass are same

A fix is to make a combination. The d is moved downwards by applying align horizontally. There's still L-R balance of masses.

Adjust it manually until it looks right, and feels balanced. Eyeball it!

For example, this is my guestimate.

Draw an inner circle as a guide if you have difficulty doing it visually, or if you want to check it.

• Since the d is heavy in the bottom I would even nudge it a tiny bit up to compensate. But if several letters must be placed in circles they need to have the same vertical position, so the best compromise must be found. If for example an o also should be placed in a circle it could easily look like it was too low and the d might have to be placed even higher. – Wolff Dec 18 '20 at 17:33
• @Wolff - absolutely! The point is to adjust it until it feels right. I don't really think this can be quantified or measured accurately, an inner circle as a guide can help, but every person will see it/feel it a little differently. – Billy Kerr Dec 18 '20 at 17:50

Conceptually this is about aligning ‘optically’, rather than aligning ‘mathmatically’. I.e so it is perceived as being centered ( inspite of the bounding box not being in the dead center )

Also you could raise it up a bit higher in the circle - i think you want to create perception of tension,like the ‘d’ is being suspended, and not falling down.